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Management 001

Kim du Toit
August 22, 2007
6:25 AM CDT

About a year before I performed the Great Wetback Episode of 1986, I was offered a job as Group Marketing Manager for one of my retail clients. Oh hell, enough time has passed for me not to be coy about it anymore. The company was the OK Bazaars, a chain which had been in existence since 1929, and which contained several department stores, “super” grocery stores (large, wide range), neighborhood stores, small urban stores, and half a dozen massive hypermarkets: all told, about 180 stores doing about R2 billion in sales (about $1 billion in 1985 dollars).

The job required me to supervise the running of the advertising department (four ad managers, several clerks, all working with three ad agencies—yes, our account was that big), the research “department” (a research manager, the work being mostly outsourced to the various research companies), and the signage studio (twenty-odd artists).

I had worked at two ad agencies prior to this, and at the Great Big Research Company when I was hired away, so I had a general idea of where I wanted to go with this job. What I did not know was exactly how the departments worked, how the work was actually performed.

So I called in the advertising managers and the studio head, and gave them a little speech. From memory, it went like this:

“I don’t know how your jobs work, and I’m not going to learn how. I’m not going to ask you for progress reports each day, and I’m never going to ask you ‘How’s it going?’—I expect you to keep me abreast of things, at times where it seems appropriate for you to do so, or only when you have a problem. Otherwise, I will assume you are all doing your job, and everything’s running smoothly.

“Now, about problems: I’m not going to solve them for you, because once again, I don’t know how your jobs work. So if you come to me with a problem, I’m going to chase you out of my office and tell you to find the solution. I expect you to come to me with a problem with two or three possible solutions, and you can’t decide which one would be the best. (Obviously, if there’s only one solution, you don’t have to tell me anything.) If we discuss the solutions, and the ‘best’ solution still doesn’t present itself, then I’ll make the decision, because that’s my job, my responsibility.

“If anyone from another department is giving you any trouble, and you can’t resolve it, tell me and I’ll take it up with their manager. If it’s their manager who’s giving you the problem, tell me and I’ll try to straighten it out with him; or if I can’t, then I’m going to go to my boss, and let him straighten it out after hearing my suggestions—because he too, is going to want options and not complaints.

“Don’t send me memos, because I won’t read them. Talk to me, and if you feel compelled to put the results of our discussion onto paper, go ahead, and put me on copy. Give the memo to my secretary and tell her to file it wherever.

“The mark of a successful manager is how long he could be dead at his desk before any of his staff notices it. I’m shooting for two weeks.”

There were no questions.

The funny thing was, I was faced with a similar issue in my own job, and I had to go up the management chain for assistance, because my immediate boss had gone away on vacation. (His last words to me: ”Don’t call me unless the office burns down. On second thoughts: don’t call me then, either, because there’s not much I can do from the Seychelles.")

Because of the volume of printing we did (flyers, broadsheets, whatever), we bought our paper from various mills, and we had to order at least six months out so they could schedule production. The studio head called me up, to tell me that our supply was running low, and that we would need to order more, and the deadline to order was coming up. So I asked the studio manager what our paper options were, and they were as follows:

1.) Buy locally-made paper at a decent price, but the quality of paper was really kinda so-so.
2.) Buy paper from Finland (!) which cost a lot more, but was of superb quality.

The price difference was about half a million (not much by today’s standards, but in those days you could buy a VW Beetle for just over a grand).

A half-million price differential was above my pay grade, as the saying goes, so I had to go to the CEO of the group.

I laid it all out for him in about two minutes, pretty much as I did above—you never waste the CEO’s time with crap. He thought about it for a moment, and asked, “What do you think we should do?”

My response was immediate. “If I could make this decision, I would have made it already and not wasted your time. The problem is this: nobody ever got fired for saving the company half a million clams, but they have been fired for costing the Company half a million clams unnecessarily. My problem, as the man nominally responsible for the Company’s image, is that I can also make a good argument for producing ads on quality paper so we don’t look like some low-rent operation. I don’t know if anyone’s ever been fired for producing a so-so quality product in a case like this, and I’m not keen to find out. So, it’s saving money or quality—and I can’t make up my mind which is more important to the Company, because I actually like both options.”

He chuckled, thought for about five seconds, and said, “Go with the quality. Never mind the half-million.”

None of this is designed to make me look like some kind of superhero manager. But it is intended to make people think about the proper way to manage people:

1. Give them responsibility to go with their accountability.
2. Force them to live up to your expectations of them. Trust them to do a good job.
3. If they make an honest mistake in an otherwise exemplary job, forget about it, and cover for them if the Corner Office starts causing trouble.
4. Don’t sweat the little things. If someone needs a little extra time off to look after a sick child or have their hair done, let them go.
5. Eschew paperwork and bureaucracy (other than when mandated like for hourly workers and time cards). Show me a manager who demands constant progress reports from his staff, and I’ll show you an insecure manager who doesn’t trust them.

And feel free to use my little speech on your staff. If you don’t feel comfortable in delegating that much responsibility, you need to examine the reasons why you feel that way. And if your boss isn’t delegating the responsibility to you, it’s probably time to look for a new boss.




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  1. Sounds like Kim knows his Peter Drucker without having read him.  Or maybe Drucker developed his management ideas from just such managers. I did not have your kind of managers when I worked at a bank, the leaders in micromanagement, they almost want a report if you go to the bathroom.

    grant1863 | 8/22/2007 07:00 AM CDT | #98209
  2. Would you come be my manager?  The micromanagers here are driving employees away like roaches when you turn on the lights.  When told about why the people are leaving, these managers just stare like a calf at a new gate, mouths open, totally without a shred of comprehension.

    1911Man | 8/22/2007 07:07 AM CDT | #98211
  3. I morphed into the good kind of manager OVERNIGHT while reading Victor Davis Hanson’s The Soul of Battle.

    The highest compliment I received was the lead technical guy telling me, “Dave, you’re not half the asshole you were three months ago.”

    I laughed my butt off because I knew it was true.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have not completed the journey. My troops however, do know I’ll charge hell with a squirtgun if anyone hassles them.

    Thanks for the memories

    daklut | 8/22/2007 07:15 AM CDT | #98214
  4. Oh I wish I’d had managers like you.  There was a story going at a former job about our manager (before I tranferred to that area).  Something had gone seriously wrong with the overnight production cycle and the entire group was working furiously to fix it and get the onlines back up, and the manager insisted upon a thirty-second status meeting every five minutes.  Note that this means getting up from your desk where you’re working, interrupting your work and train of thought, all to tell him what has changed in the last five minutes.  I’m glad I wasn’t working for him then, I’d have wound up unemployed.

    Mark D | 8/22/2007 07:44 AM CDT | #98222
  5. And, if you have the sort of situation that will allow it, rolling up your sleeves and being seen doing some of the actual work really makes for a harmonious work situation.

    Otherwise, MBWA (Management By Walking Around).

    Rich | 8/22/2007 07:47 AM CDT | #98224
  6. You know, I ought to send this column to all the students at the local business school. Three years of management training classes in what—200 words?

    Windy Wilson | 8/22/2007 07:49 AM CDT | #98225
  7. Damn, Kim, we needed you to smack around my old company.  If corporate would have let me do my job instead of micro-managing me to death I could have avoided the ulcer.

    Cobar | 8/22/2007 07:59 AM CDT | #98226
  8. Would it be acceptable for me to copy this and send it around my unit?  With attribution, of course.

    Raging Dave | 8/22/2007 08:05 AM CDT | #98228
  9. My speech (20 years ago) was in a similar vein. It was a military organization, complete with the usual military stuff. My major points were:
    Weekly staff meetings are discontinued. If I don’t know what you’re doing without a meeting, one of us isn’t doing it right.
    Weekly inspections are discontinued. If you don’t look good every day, one of us isn’t doing it right.
    My door is always open. If you show up in my office, and your boss doesn’t know you’re there, you’re both fired.
    Morale and productivity improved dramatically. The only complaints were from those who depended upon obfuscation for their “success.”
    Management isn’t all that tough, if your goal is to ensure the organization is successful. If your goal is to make a name for yourself, it’s gonna be tough on everyone!

    MichigammeDave | 8/22/2007 09:11 AM CDT | #98242
  10. Hail the speaker of truth!

    Unfortunately, that truth has limits: it’s dependant upon either having a competent staff both capable of and motivated to perform their job, or the means to obtain one that is.

    Right now, the labor market is tight and shallow, and a minimum of 60% of the thrust of the competent is expended figuring out how to keep the gears turning with subpar staff, who teeter on the wall between “asset” and “obstruction”.

    geekWithA.45 | 8/22/2007 09:14 AM CDT | #98243
  11. Raging,

    Copy away, with attribution, of course.

    Kim du Toit | 8/22/2007 09:14 AM CDT | #98244
  12. Old saying, “It is a poor workman who blames his tools.”
    My version “It is a poor manager that blames the people who work for him.”

    Mr. Demming had his own version of that.  “Poor quality is always the fault of management.”

    toad | 8/22/2007 09:45 AM CDT | #98254
  13. I was totally blessed with TWO managers who had that down in my entire working career.

    The rest were pathetic, ignorant and insecure micro managers who’s great claim to fame was being able to say “I kept them alive far longer than they should have survived” when they finally ran the company into bankruptcy and suckered another of the same ilk into giving him a job at the next company (where the performance was repeated, no doubt).

    The few times I got talked into management, I did it Kim’s way and the people below me loved me and the people above hated me (with the two exceptions noted above).

    America’s BIG problem is these things that come out of college with an MBA and not a clue about the real world.  They have burned out more good workers than any other cause.

    I was rather surprised to discover that in the past that managers were generally workers who had gotten too old to do the work and took jobs as managers to be able to keep working at a cut in pay.  Their experience was valuable even if they couldn’t do the physical work anymore.

    Fox3 | 8/22/2007 10:10 AM CDT | #98262
  14. Sounds like the military style of management.

    ErikZ | 8/22/2007 11:03 AM CDT | #98272
  15. Delegation. The quality at which so many so-called “leaders” hopelessly fail at. Tip o’ the hat, ol’ Kim.

    Interestingly, that’s also a major failure point of socialism: a form of government that refuses to give any sort of power to those it controls, micromanages them to death, and strips them of the right to defend themselves. There’s no delegation there, in fact, attempts of the population at making decisions for their own are repressed at any possible turn.

    American Wannabe | 8/22/2007 11:09 AM CDT | #98275
  16. Many years back I had the luxurious, and all too brief, experience of working for someone whose approach mirrored Kim’s.  My job was running an IT field support operation for some pretty demanding clients, an “eat you alive” thing even on good days, and you had to be on your toes to stay ahead of the wave.

    Guy I worked for never called, never pestered me, but on those (fortunately) rare occasions when I needed a higher pay grade to pick a solution option, he was always there. He wanted the choices, the consequences of each and which was my preference and why, in 3 minutes or less. Other than stuff like that and the annual eval, we didn’t have direct contact sometimes for months at a time.

    I spent my time out in the real world where the clients were, rarely in the office. Once day we passed in the hall, he stopped, turned back to me and asked “you still working for me?” I replied “yes,” and he said “well, whatever you’re doing, keep it up” as he headed down the hall. I’ve named all my kids after him (kidding).

    Damn near everyone else I’ve worked for has been a turd sandwich.  Why is it so difficult to figure out what motivates good people and do it consistently? Give us the objectives and basic tools, pay us commensurately with skill and performance, don’t second and third guess us, and stay the hell out of the way.

    Homer | 8/22/2007 12:10 PM CDT | #98287
  17. Best Piece Ever.  I stand in awe.

    dbltap | 8/22/2007 12:13 PM CDT | #98288
  18. I tended to be a manager who managed everything, leaving no decisions for anybody.  I also knew that I didn’t know everything and I went to at least two management seminars per month.  It wasn’t long before I realized that every seminar was the same: turn everything over to your employees.  So much as I hated doing it, I did it.  I covered my eyes and ears and did it.  So production in every area went up; we all made almost twice as much money and then I got fired because the guy at the top said I was being paid for doing nothing.  I’ve never figured out what the message was......

    fasron | 8/22/2007 03:40 PM CDT | #98325
  19. Kim - all good.  I never let anything about time off or flexibility a la sick kids go beyond my desk.  Anyone who was a contributor to the effort got whatever they needed, or sometimes, wanted.  I’ve done a lot of traveling with teams, and I always insisted on working straight through until the job was complete (start work at 0700 and go without breaks, etc.), then knocking off for whatever time was left in the travel allotment.  Worked great, especially in places like New Orleans, except once I had to bail someone out (that never got back home either)......  We were always top multipliers and no one ever said boo....

    Tallis | 8/22/2007 04:07 PM CDT | #98328
  20. “So production in every area went up; we all made almost twice as much money and then I got fired because the guy at the top said I was being paid for doing nothing.”

    Fasron,

    I can’t imagine why you would be fired when it was under your supervision that revenues doubled and productivity went up. Methinks your boss was a dickhead, and you’re probably well out of it.

    Kim du Toit | 8/22/2007 05:16 PM CDT | #98337
  21. “Sounds like Kim knows his Peter Drucker without having read him.”

    Who says I never read Drucker?

    I simply had the means to implement the principles.

    Kim du Toit | 8/22/2007 05:17 PM CDT | #98338
  22. There’s nothing worse than being given the responsibility of something but not given the authority to make necessary changes to make it work right.

    There’s a difference between leadership and management, and some managers can’t figure out how to treat employees like adults.  People tend to live up (or down) to your expectations.

    You hire someone to do a job, give them the tools and let them do what you’re paying them to do.  If you can’t trust your employees, perhaps those employees need to work for someone else, and you get some people you can trust.

    And YES, you CAN fire civil service employees - *IF* you have management that’ll back you up (I’ve done it).

    308Mike | 8/22/2007 06:01 PM CDT | #98344
  23. Just a couple of quick comments:

    “But it is intended to make people think about the proper way to manage people:”

    One does not “manage” people.  One manages manpower, but one leads people.  Much of the problem in American society stems from too much management and too little leadership.  At all levels.

    “If you don’t feel comfortable in delegating that much responsibility, you need to examine the reasons why you feel that way. And if your boss isn’t delegating the responsibility to you,”

    Perhaps it’s just semantics, but did you mean “authority”, not responsibility?  One can delegate the former, but not the latter.

    Other than that, an excellent article that any manager—or leader—would benefit from.  Kudos to you.

    Doh-San | 8/22/2007 07:05 PM CDT | #98352
  24. By two weeks, that office is going to be a bit stinky don’t you think?

    Roy | 8/22/2007 07:09 PM CDT | #98353
  25. Never met a manager who’d pass Kim’s test. Kind of wish I had.

    (OK, I’m pretty sure I could come close...if LEL had any other employees. smile )

    Matt | 8/22/2007 07:18 PM CDT | #98354
  26. Kim, if I ever start a company, you are first on my list for the first management job.  (Of course hell will probably come into existance and then freeze over first, but still, take it in the spirit it’s intended.) That is the best summary of what a manager is supposed to do I have EVER heard.

    Come to think of it, in the mean time I think you need to start a school to teach the “pointy-haired bosses” of the world (those few who would like to learn to NOT be such) why they’re such idiots.

    RH

    RobertHuntingdon | 8/22/2007 07:31 PM CDT | #98360
  27. RH,
    Kim could promote the school as taught by an African-American, thus extra diversity points, and charge big $$$, because who listens to free advice anyway, and surround his 15 minutes of wisdom with 8-40 hours of BS so that the students felt like they were getting their monies worth.
    Am I missing anything? I worked for a large bank at the beginning of my career and that pretty much sums up their consultants except we didn’t even get the 15 minutes of wisdom.
    Kim, Sorry that I miswrote about you not reading Drucker, I was more dumbstruck how you summed up a couple of his books. He is certainly smiling somewhere.

    grant1863 | 8/22/2007 07:55 PM CDT | #98364
  28. How to make self-fulfilling prophecy pay off, or not.  I received nothing but kudos from my immediate food chain, and nothing but grief from their higher ups. Go figger.  Unfortunately adversarial management seems to be the modus operandi in my current situation but I do believe that I can defang them most times. 

    In the days of the dotbomb the ability of computers to help realize dreams of decentralized control created some pretty impressive gains, until management figured out that they can also be used to increase control from the top (and also dispense with layers of middle management).  Wal-Mart would be a good current example of both sides of this coin.

    yahyah ibn alli | 8/22/2007 08:46 PM CDT | #98368
  29. “The mark of a successful manager is how long he could be dead at his desk before any of his staff notices it. I’m shooting for two weeks.”

    Beautiful!  One of the most perfect quotes on the subject I’ve ever seen.

    A military oriented corollary is that you should train your people such that it a sniper/bomb/bus takes you out, they will continue the mission with minimal disruption. (it would take a couple of minutes to divide up my gear)

    I’ve had the good fortune to work under several such leaders in the AF.  In the civilian world, not so much.

    I’ve quit using the term “leadership” in conjunction with Corporate America as I don’t think there are any leaders in Corporate America, only, at best, Managers.

    (I go by the theory that “Those that can Lead, those that can’t manage, and those that can’t do either micro-manage")

    randy | 8/22/2007 08:53 PM CDT | #98369
  30. that is how I manage.

    caveat: someone else mentioned, it does require a competent staff.  But when I was in the food industry, that is what I did, bring in and train or hire in competent staff to do the cooking, do the party work, do the plating and presenting all those things that can be trained into someone.

    I did the ordering, the scheduling, the tracking of the time line, hobnobbing with the clients to generate future business, the things that needed imagination, organizational skills and out of the box thinking.  On rare occasions I even jumped into production with a blaze of last minute speed and efficiency.  The staff was trained that this meant we were deep in the weeds and they better pick up the pace too and it happened.  They were shamed to know that they were failing and the boss had to bail them out.

    Micromanaging was never something that I had the luxury of.  Sure I was fired from more than one job by a penny pinching number cruncher once he thought I had everything up and running to the point where he didnt need me anymore.  I know of 4 such incidents that ended in the place dropping from top ratings and profitability to shuttered doors within 6 months.  Sad but true.

    Precision | 8/22/2007 09:00 PM CDT | #98370
  31. Can I come to work for you?

    Just kidding, as I KNOW you can’t pay me $60K-plus, but MAN, would I LOVE to have a boss like you, who knows how to MANAGE, instead of paper-push!

    The Mad Yank | 8/22/2007 09:15 PM CDT | #98373
  32. It’s essays like these that keeping me coming back to the Other Side Of Kim. Wow.

    fasterplease | 8/22/2007 09:21 PM CDT | #98374
  33. I work for a manager a lot like this.

    There is one downside, though. It seems like the only time he’s aware of me is when I screw up. This doesn’t happen often (3-4 times a year), but it is kind of stressful.

    rosignol | 8/23/2007 09:59 AM CDT | #98433
  34. Kim
    OUTSTANDING!
    Having had both kinds of bosses the kind Kim was brings with it greater productivity and satisfaction.  The other aspect not mentioned is when you have to go in an fix an organization after one of the micromanagers.  I fortunate enough to have a Col that completely supported me and great SNCOs that both knew me and knew the proper way of getting the job done.  Hardest part was healing all of the LTs and Captains that she tried to destroy.
    As to the comment about having the right kind of staff, A proper managers needs the skill to recognize those who have the skill and support/promote them while also identifying the ones who need more help/training and get them what they need.  The last kind make sure the paperwork is straight and let them find something they can do outside the organization.
    Like Kim said his kind of management is not always appriciated and rewarded, sometimes you have to stick to your guns and find happiness at the level you have reached.  As we say in the military sometimes “happiness is a blue card”, retired ID’s are blue.
    Haope all that read Kim’s essay are able to use the valuable knowledge to best ends
    Marv Fuller

    fullerm | 8/23/2007 07:43 PM CDT | #98494
  35. All that can be summed up by the following:

    I’m not your effing crutch, have a nice day.

    Dan B. | 8/24/2007 12:40 PM CDT | #98566

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