AK Time

February 15, 2007
4:00 AM CST

Yup… we conservatives really taught the Republicans a lesson in the last election, didn’t we? Here we go again:

H.R. 1022: To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes

Now this is early days, and the bill has simply been referred to the House Judiciary Committee. There’s not even any text for the bill yet, but the intent is plain.

Now consider this little plum:

In the post 9/11 world where supposedly “everything has changed,” perhaps it is time for Americans to reconsider the value of public gun ownership.

The idea of public gun ownership simply does not make sense anymore. The right to bear arms, as enumerated in the Second Amendment, was meant for the maintenance of a “well-regulated militia.” At the time the amendment was adopted, standing armies were viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and therefore, gun-owning individuals were seen as a protection mechanism for the public. These gun owners were also seen as guardians of the republic against the tyranny of the rulers. The framers of the Constitution saw the right to bear and use arms as a check against an unruly government. That state of affairs no longer exists.

Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check.

I would quote the rest, but I would be sued for causing rampant RCOBs and the concomitant heart attacks among my Readers.

This is not a new article, of course, but the philosophy follows the liberal line faithfully.

So: looks like the gun-grabbers are about to start their bullshit again. Which means it’s time for us ”handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist groups” to start buying assault rifles again. Les Jones has put it even more succinctly:

This is exactly why I’m only buying semi-autos between now and the end of 2008. Just in case. If anything is banned it will be semi-automatics. And if they aren’t banned outright they will be regulated - as in the 1994 AWB - with regards to magazine capacities of more than 10 rounds and “evil” features like collapsible/folding stocks and flash hiders.

And to make matters worse, I’m to poor to afford even a stupid SKS, so I can’t set the example and lead the way. Aaaaargh.

I will, though, as soon as I get a couple hundred dollars set aside for the gun and ammo. In fact, I might even consider trading one of my other guns (eg. the Swiss K.11 Carbine) for an AK or a couple of decent Yugo SKS rifles. Have to think about that one…

...but in the meantime, I’ll just have to make do with the M1 Carbine and its eeeeeevil M4 bayonet.

Thank goodness I have errrr quite a bit of ammo for it, although I should offer a warning that an assault weapon ban could be made moot by the banning of various calibers—after all, you don’t need 7.62x39mm FMJ to hunt with, do you? So if you don’t have the money for an assault rifle, you may well want to start laying in some ammo for it first—the old change jar alone should get you five hundred rounds or so, and if you add all the coins in the sofa, you may just scrape up enough to get a thousand.

Just when I thought we’d put all this foolishness behind us. And as a public service, allow me to offer up the following options:

Romanian STG-2000

Yugo AK-M70

Yugo SKS 59/66 (also at Samco; scroll down the page).

If your taste runs more to 7.62x51mm NATO, then there are these options:

DPMS SA58 Para

A rather fine FN-FAL

and a PTR-91 Para.

And for the poodleshooter fans:

Bushmaster XM-15

HK-SL8

That should do, to start with.

Oh, and one last thing. From AIMSurplus:

*02/14/2007 Important Shipping Delay Notice!

Due to high order volume we are currently experiencing a slight delay in shipping. Today we are shipping orders taken on 02/09/2007, and will get into the weekend internet orders placed the 10-11th. Please allow for an additional 3-4 working days for us to process your order. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Buy now, avoid the pre-AWB III rush.

And now, a brief message to our lawmakers:

If you ban assault rifles, or require their registration, I’m not going to comply.

Period, end of sentence, end of statement.

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Side note: The Cook County, IL proposal to tax ammo at 10c a round was defeated.

Comments

Bottom of Comments | Original Post

Does anybody know when the lefties started the myth that the 2nd Amendment is only a reference to organizations like the National Guard and not an individual right?
It’s an important debating point.
As to the bill quoted above. Typical leftist attempt at reimposing a feudal order, where the peasants don’t get access to the means of self-defense.

Author ID: 7522 | 2/15/2007 04:23 AM CST | #81343


Did anyone really think a move like this wouldn’t be at the top of the Democrat agenda when they won back the House and Senate?  Folks, actions have consequences, and this is just one of the consequences that result from tens of thousands of Republicans sitting on their hands rather than voting last November.  Yeah sure, we taught Congress a BIG lesson…

Author ID: 593 | 2/15/2007 04:38 AM CST | #81344


AR15’s ? ... AK47’s ? ... check out

http://www.ar15.com/

Hell, you can build them yourself.

Author ID: 9310 | 2/15/2007 04:56 AM CST | #81346


You just created my commie shopping list, thanks!  The FAL (more than one, if I can manage) is first on my list, but if it comes down to the wire I may just go for commie quantity.  A scary looking poodleshooter is necessary in case I must dispatch a small annoying cat-eating animal.  No, I wasn’t talking about Al Franken.

I must say, I started making contingency plans for this scenario about three months before the election.  I overpaid for a Yugo 66 by about $80, just because I was so turned on by the integrated bayonet, and had just gotten my shiny in-state ID.  At any given moment I’m prepared to drop a 4 digit chunk of change, but it seems tough to find what I’m looking for at non-ripoff prices.

Author ID: 917 | 2/15/2007 04:57 AM CST | #81347


Dammit!

I was hoping for a breathing space before hunting down a good AK or AR-15. Now I’m going to have to go out and grab one at premium prices just in case.
I wonder how hard it is to get a short barrel for an Uzi? Other than a hacksaw and LOTS of time. Any suggestions?

Did anyone notice on the AR-15.com page that bushmaster has a CAR-15/M-4 version in 9mm? While it won’t do much against Kevlar, it certainly would make it easy for ammo compatibility.

See ya!

Jim

Author ID: 8889 | 2/15/2007 05:58 AM CST | #81351


I ordered my pre-ban config AR upper from DPMS to go on my Colt lower.  They’re back-ordered out the @$$.

If ammo wasn’t $1 per round for the 5.7mm, I’d seriously consider the PS-90.  That’s a surefire liberal heart attack generator.  I want a Barrett so bad i can taste it, but at $8,000 it’s a tad pricey.  That’s the first weapon the commie-libs will ban.  Then it’s the semi-auto everything and all magazines with over 10 rounds or maybe even 5.

I didn’t vote for these clowns.  I voted a straight R ticket for state and Fed.  Staying home last time to teach the Stupid party a lesson succeeded in teaching them the wrong one.  Now they’re making a left turn.  Thanks, oh brilliant ones!  Remember GWB said he’d sign this POS if it came up.

Author ID: 1906 | 2/15/2007 06:06 AM CST | #81354


I think this is really good news for the republicans. If they push this (and it doesn’t even have to become a bill, just a maintained rumor of one) there won’t be any staying at home next time around. I love it when these idiots step on their own wieners.

As a rather rough ex astronaut said before...."It’s Clobberin’ time!!”

Author ID: 186 | 2/15/2007 06:18 AM CST | #81356


Did anyone really think a move like this wouldn�t be at the top of the Democrat agenda when they won back the House and Senate?  Folks, actions have consequences, and this is just one of the consequences that result from tens of thousands of Republicans sitting on their hands rather than voting last November.

I have no freaking idea how many people I told this to myself. I have no idea, either, of how many times I heard the response “They would have learned this is a hot button and not gone back there from last time we won”. You knew it. YOU F&#*ING KNEW IT! Good thing I got enough overtime this check to get one of those STG 2000s. Next check, ammo. And the check after that. Then I’ll need a fair bunch of x51. Already got a lot of x54R. More 9, and 45.

Author ID: 6430 | 2/15/2007 06:25 AM CST | #81357


1. I’m in the National Guard so I’m exempt from these laws, right?  Yeah, right.

2. I’ve been ignoring state and city gun laws in MA and NJ for 16 years and counting.  The next place I live won’t have laws that run counter to the Constitution.

Author ID: 8662 | 2/15/2007 06:25 AM CST | #81358


A receiver constitutes a gun, but parts do not. Stock up on receivers now, AR, AK, whatever. Cheap com-block barrels are good for the AK’s too, since they are banned from importation get em while you can.

But as I see it, if you already have the receiver you can do whatever you want with it, no matter when you actually assmble it, so long as it is “pre-ban"(I was hoping I would never have to use that term to describe a new gun again).

Also, the recievers that are baught now and can be built into whatever configuration you want will be more valuble after any ban takes place. And if no ban occurs you still have a bunch of stripped lowers to sell off, no harm to your wallet.

As I said a little while ago here, get your receivers, and get your mags, NOW! I intend on having at least a dozen for the AR and AK, and I’m thinking 6 or 8 for the GLOCK before the end of summer. And a friend once told me that it is always a good idea to have 2000 rounds in every caliber you own. 1000 for shooting, 1000 for “just in case”.

Author ID: 8446 | 2/15/2007 06:32 AM CST | #81359


Y’know, I’m only idly curious, but part of me really wonders how long people are going to keep voting, before they decide a better answer might be to start shooting.

And for you “I told you so!” folks out there, if this is really going to re-energize the Republican base, how about if, just for the hell of it, we nominate somebody who’s a hardcore conservative for a change, instead of settling for some spaghetti-spined double-talking wishy-washy RINO douchebag?

Instead of choosing between Liberal, and Liberal Lite, how about coming out of your fallout shelters and putting some OOMPH behind somebody like Tancredo or the like? And making a point of telling the Stupid Party with words, deeds, and contributions, that turds like McCain, Giuliani, et al are candidata non grata for 2008, and DOA as vandidates right effing NOW?

Exclamation point. Paragraph. End of story.

Try it. It might catch on.

Author ID: 9097 | 2/15/2007 06:58 AM CST | #81362


I’m in California, where we’ve already got an AW ban. Any suggestions for us, or are we already too far gone?

Author ID: 7770 | 2/15/2007 07:01 AM CST | #81363


Aesop - We (gun-owners and hard-core conservatives) have to get involved in the primary process if we want a good candidate.  No sitting on the sidelines and bitching, no voting for Libertarian Party nutjobs.

No voting for Midwestern “moderately conservative” Democrats who support Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.

Author ID: 8662 | 2/15/2007 07:04 AM CST | #81364


kbyrd - http://www.auto-ordnance.com/ao_aom110_f.html

These M1’s are still legal in CA (they are banned in NJ) stock up.  And drive over to a Vegas gunshow to buy 15 round mags.

Author ID: 8662 | 2/15/2007 07:07 AM CST | #81365


For people in CA, you can still buy M1 Garands, M1A’s, M1 Carbines, and the like as long as it has a regular stock (no thumbhole or pistol grip stocks).

Looks like I’ll be buying that M1A earlier than anticipated.

Author ID: 2187 | 2/15/2007 08:17 AM CST | #81368


The CMP is VERY close to having a large batch of M1 Carbines ready for sale.  They haven’t had any for quite a while, and I’d imagine the prices will be reasonable.  Personally, I want to get one as a baby brother to the Garand I got from the CMP a few years ago.  Here’s a link to the Carbine page on the CMP website:  http://www.odcmp.com/rifles/carbine.htm

Author ID: 8195 | 2/15/2007 08:19 AM CST | #81369


Couple of things Kim,

First, its always a time to buy a gun. I feel your financial pain (took a new job that I love and provides more time for the family but again fails to match what I made as an attorney in private practice and its expensive to live in the DC area, especially with anothers child arriving in the next day or so).

Two, as I stated at Les’s place - I have no fear about gun control under the current congress.  Fact is, the gun banners are like a cancer to democrats on the hill right now. They are enjoying their newfound power, have lots of other issues to play with, are split on guns, and understand full well the success they had of neutralizing the NRA by taking the issue off the table.  They have their sites on the white house and aren’t going to do anything to risk it (or splinter their party).  Heck, right now there are two pieces of gun banning legislation in the house - this bill and one by Shelia Jackson Lee. Neither has any co-sponsors.

Third, I am frightened of the Rs.  As I’ve posted on my blog (and also commented at Les’s) the Rs are still running around DC stunned and unable to comprehend what they did that was so wrong.  No one wants to blame ethics and the current feeling I have is that the RINOs are quick to blame the party for being too conservative and not compasionate enough. What that means is folks like Michael Bloomberg, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Rudy, McCain, and Romney are all quickly ascending the power heirarchy.  In the house, its even worse as my former congressman, who controls the checkbook of the Republican Congressional Committe, the fence sitting do nothing Tom Davis (RINO-Fairfax, VA) would sell the second amendment down the river in a second especially if he thought it would help either him or his wife as they seek to run for the senate (he for John Warner’s seat, his wife for a state senate slot).  See this post at Not Larry Sabato about how Davis is financially starving any of his wifes competitors - its the reason I am willing to run ads and commentary (for free) for anyone running against either one of these traitors.

Author ID: 30 | 2/15/2007 08:35 AM CST | #81370


There are many types of VOICES.
Your money, well-spent, has a Voice.
Your vote, used correctly, has a Voice.
Your snail-mail and email, is a Voice.
And then your Voice, used via telephone, is a recordable Voice.
Used together, ONE person controls alot of Voices; use them repeatedly and loudly.
‘Cause bureaucracy is notoriously TONE DEAF.
Also, without bureaucratic record of your Voice(s), you don’t exist.
If you don’t exist, then what you think and what you say doesn’t matter.
Trust me.
As an IT guy who has worked in DC, and knows:
if these @ssholes can’t listen to me to NOT download “IluvYou.virus”, until I’ve put it in writing 6 times;
then they aint gonna hear your views until you do the same.
”Bureacracy operates in triplicate forms only.” -congressional staffer (R)

Excuse me whilst I order some more .303 ammo,
and plan on which 7.62x39 rifle to buy with my tax return.
After which, I will inform my Congress-critter (a good one);
that I’m prepared to defend the Tree of Liberty.

Author ID: 9082 | 2/15/2007 08:36 AM CST | #81371


I’m right there with you, Mike… I was going to gift myself with a new 1911 with part of my tax return, but it’s going to be an M1A instead. Then, as NJ Soldier said, off to Vegas (or my friends in Phoenix) for mags.

Author ID: 7756 | 2/15/2007 08:37 AM CST | #81372


Did anybody read the article to which Kim linked?  I’ve never heard of this organization (and I do a *lot* of think-tank reading) so I expolred further.

It’s a Muslim orginization (!), its’ Board of Directors are mostly MDs ("guns as public health threat”, anyone?) and all but one were educated in (a) California, (b) Detroitistan, (c) Chicago or (d) the Ivy League.

Is anybody listening to these clowns?

And IF you email them, be nice - they are members of an academic/professional elite who bring with them the cultural assumptions of a fiercely hierarchical culture.  Of course a bunch of Arab/Muslim doctors and lawyers think you and I can’t be trusted with guns....

Which reminds me, I’ve finally figured out why well-educated members (doctors, engineers) of certain classes of certain immigrant groups are such arrogant, know-it-all a**holes:  their culture-of-origin has told them from birth that they REALLY ARE better than everyone else.  They bring that template to our society and any measure of material or professional success they acheive reinforces the belief.  But if the job requires what we call “people skills”, they hit a brick wall, baby....

Author ID: 618 | 2/15/2007 08:41 AM CST | #81374


acanthostega wrote: “Does anybody know when the lefties started the myth that the 2nd Amendment is only a reference to organizations like the National Guard and not an individual right?

Excellent question!  It’s my understanding (and you shouldn’t have too look too far to find citations - try googling phrases like “racist roots of gun control” that the courts started down that militia only/select militia/National Guard/"collective" right road when lawmakers decided that there were certain classes of people (free blacks, Italian immigrants, etc.) that they wanted to keep from having guns.

Author ID: 618 | 2/15/2007 08:45 AM CST | #81376


AIM isn’t kidding about delays.  In the past they’ve almost always shipped an order the next business day, never more than 48 hours after the order I made: I ordered some ammo late last Thursday, and I didn’t get the shipping notice till Tuesday night.

Yesterday went by a local surplus/gun store, and they had a basket of GI magazines, 15 and 30 round, for good prices, and I picked up a couple.  Maybe I should go back today and get a couple more…

Author ID: 7749 | 2/15/2007 08:47 AM CST | #81377


Rocinante - Thanks for doing the research and posting to let us know about the organization .  I wondered if there was some Islamo-slant when I noticed the name at the bottom of the article, but I was too lazy to dig into it.

Author ID: 9002 | 2/15/2007 08:54 AM CST | #81378


I just went to the ISPU Web page and read that article Kim quoted. Then I went to the Scholars list.

It’s amazing how many names listed there were Arabic, and how many of them all had either MD or PhD after them. In short, LibTards. I will NOT say some, or any, of those persons listed are Islamic Fundamentalists, nor will I offer any opinion as to their possible links to Al Quaida or any OTHER Islamic terrorist organization. Some of them may be, or may not. In all honesty, probably ALL of them are NOT linked in way shape or form - other than sharing an Islamic faith. Which is NOT automatically bad.
BUT, people like this scare me as much as people who are John Birch Society members, or American Nazi Party members, or KKK, or Aryan Nation, or any OTHER radical group. Especially since these ‘scholars’ seem to have the ear in Foggy Bottom. THAT is scary.

I saw a post elsewhere here in this comment list about home society and arrogance. And I have to agree 100%; in most Middle Eastern or European societies, a Doctorate, especially a scholarly one, as opposed to a Medical one, is VERY HIGHLY REGARDED, and serves as a union card for the aristocratic elite. No regard is given to the source of the doctorate, indeed, I could (if I were born in that geographic/sociographic region) buy a doctorate from some diploma mill, and get star billing in many schools and official positions in the area. And I am FAR from a doctorate-level education. At least, on paper. Unless you accept a very WIDE reading list as doctoral education.

Anyway, these people are scary. We need to watch them like hawks, not as doves. Because, whether it is intentional or not, they are undermining our Constitution.

See ya!

Jim

Author ID: 8889 | 2/15/2007 09:03 AM CST | #81379


“2. I�ve been ignoring state and city gun laws in MA and NJ for 16 years and counting.  The next place I live won�t have laws that run counter to the Constitution. “

Hey, man, just a friendly caution that you ought to be careful about what you say in public.  Anyone can read these comments and I don’t think it would be too difficult for some alphabet agency to figure out who you might be.  I’d hate to see another gun ally taken down.
DAL357

Author ID: 9405 | 2/15/2007 09:14 AM CST | #81381


I tend to agree with Countertop here.  Certainly the Dems have to do this to placate their base, but if they ever started seriously moving towards reinstating the AWB, it would run the risk of splitting their coalition.  Remember that many of the Dems were elected on fairly conservative platforms and the intransigence of the sitting Republicans was the motivating issue, not the usual slate of liberal/lefty causes.  Read Jim Webb’s book “Born Fighting”, written before he apparently went insane and you’ll see that he understands the values of conservative Americans, even if he doesn’t neccessarily share them. 

In particular, those Dems who got elected in formerly Republican districts, and who won their seats by razor thin margins, know that this is exactly the kind of issue that can send them straight back to Podunkville in 2009.  In the senate, with statewide voting and 6 year terms, the danger to the Dems isn’t so apparent, but I’ll bet this thing won’t get out of committee in the House. 

As for W signing any bill, he may have said that he would in the past, but (a) somebody saying “I would have done X if they had done Y” is essentially a meaningless statement.  Woulda, shoulda, coulda.  Even if he meant it (i.e. even if he didn’t say it just to score some political points with “moderates") such a statement doesn’t commit him to signing any such bill in the future, especially when he’s a lame duck with no particular reason to curry favor with anybody (though of course that saw cuts both ways - he has no need to curry favor with us, either.)

And, to again agree with Countertop, the real danger here is moderate Republicans who can play the “who else are you going to vote for?” card.  I think most of the Democrats know that if they sell out their gun owning constituents then the gun owning moderates will simply flip to the Republicans, but if the Republicans sell out gun owners, where will the gun owners go?

Author ID: 7544 | 2/15/2007 09:22 AM CST | #81383


I looked at all the links… and now I’m scared!  All that black plastic!


Author ID: 512 | 2/15/2007 09:22 AM CST | #81384


Everyone should inundate the author with email as to why he is wrong wrong wrong. Rights are NOT granted by the state that can be taken away by the state. To believe such bullsh*t is why statists are statists.

Author ID: 8653 | 2/15/2007 09:24 AM CST | #81386


Hell!
The Daughter-in-law who I adore unfortunatly is a teacher and was indoctrinated by her College professors about the evils of gun ownership. so one day I was shooting the pre-ban AR-15 I have and she said it was of course an outlaw and illegal weapon. I asked her if she knew what was illegal and unlawful about it. She did not, I asked her what she thought I should do to make it legal and lawful but she did not know either so I told her. cut off the pistol grip, block the mag to 10 rounds, cut off the bayonet lug and unscrew the flash suppressor. She asked if that made the rifle less dangerous and I said no it just looks less dangerous. BUT if I modified a pre-ban rifle I would be more illegal and would be breaking the same law!
She said that’s stupid and I agreed!
There is hope for the dear DIL.
As for any law I will just do as the Liberal draft evaders do and did and ignore it.

Author ID: 7863 | 2/15/2007 09:24 AM CST | #81387


The handguards on the STG-2000 look nice.  Anyone know if they’re available seperately? And will they fit on a non-STG-2000 AK? 

The Mad Yank,

Several companies make 9mm uppers for AR15s.  I’ve got a Olympic Arms one which lets me use Sten mags.  When the mags were $3-4 each I bought about 80 of ‘em

Colt and Rock River(?) also make 9mm uppers, but theirs use Colt mags which are insanely expensive or Uzi mags which are not so bad, but still not as cheap as Sten mags. 

IIRC, I paid about $450 for my upper, used but in great condition.  It came with the Sten mag adapter and four or five mags.  Found it on the equipment exchange on ar15.com.

Author ID: 324 | 2/15/2007 09:33 AM CST | #81389


lets see-neither myself nor the wife are fully white,so “white supremacist” would be out,and “neonazi” would imply a leftist,as the nazis were a party of the left-try again,gun grabbers

Author ID: 8957 | 2/15/2007 09:47 AM CST | #81391


Entirely coincidentally I cam home last weekend with a brand spanking new SIG 229 with crimson trace grips and a couple of DPMS AR-15 stripped recvrs on order. I’m already all FALed out. There is such a thing as too many of them!

And I second the idea of getting a C&R;. Places like Midway and Brownells will give you dealer pricing with a C&R;so it pays for itself even if you never order a firearm with it.

I doubt this bill will go anywhere before the 2008 election cycle. My best guess it is being submitted as poltical cover for the sponsers who can claim they did what they said they would do to their supporters in the full knowledge it won’t go anywhere.

As others have said it is too likely to split the Dem coalition and damage their shot at the oval office.

What happens after 2008 if they take congress and the white house is anyones guess. But I suspect it won’t be good for us.

Author ID: 7597 | 2/15/2007 09:54 AM CST | #81392


DAL357 - I’m careful.  I have a rifle I have not fired in years - and never in NJ.  The cops don’t go snooping for banned guns (some of the cops I know own a few), just don’t get caught in public with one. 

I would be a like a breath of fresh air to get out here.

Author ID: 8662 | 2/15/2007 10:09 AM CST | #81393


If you ban assault rifles, or require their registration, I�m not going to comply.

I’m 100% with you here.  At what point do we collectively “draw the line in the sand”? 

It’s getting uncomfortably close for me…

Author ID: 8088 | 2/15/2007 10:20 AM CST | #81394


“I was hoping for a breathing space before hunting down a good AK or AR-15. Now I�m going to have to go out and grab one at premium prices just in case.
I wonder how hard it is to get a short barrel for an Uzi? Other than a hacksaw and LOTS of time. Any suggestions? ”

Standard length IMI barrels are available from Sarco (all NFA rules apply). They also have excellent “survival kits” for the Uzi and several other systems. Call them.

http://www.sarcoinc.com/

You don’t have to pay an obscene price for a new AR or AK. You can build them both at home. It’s cheaper this way, and you avoid the excise tax that is levied on complete firearm sales. You can fabricate an AK receiver yourself (it’s only stamped sheet metal) and assemble a parts kit onto it. You can also buy receivers in various states of completion for between $50 and $150.

ARs are simple to build. No hand fitting or fabrication is required. You can buy them in various states of completion, too.  If I were in a hurry, I’d buy a complete Rock River lower, CMMG upper w/ charging handle, and an LMT bolt group. Assembly takes 10 seconds.

Author ID: 9291 | 2/15/2007 11:11 AM CST | #81396


Be sure to communicate with the President regarding this.

Example

0 Author ID: 2 | 2/15/2007 11:18 AM CST | #81397


I understand this cupid stunt introduces this bill every year and it usually dies. This morning I’ve been looking through the membership of the House Judiciary Committee and how it’s different from years past. I’m not gettitng any traction so far…

The notion that the militia refers to the National Guard is absurd. I have served in the Guard, but sadly, most Soldiers don’t know the difference. Here’s something I wrote elsewhere on the subject:

“Yeah, it sucks that the gun grabbers can’t or won’t realize that the same word used in different eras can have multiple meanings which depend on context. I don’t believe they have a leg to stand on when using this article.

The militia companies always existed, from the time of the earlies English settlers. The NG does not recognize these as it’s forefathers. These companies, or rather the men who formed them, were the militia as referred to in the Bill of Rights. They were armed citizens who mobilized for local defense in times of emergency. This is the militia to which all military aged men fit into today, regardless of military experience.

The NG traces its roots to the Mass. regiments of 1636 because they were the first companies of militia organized under control which usurped their local authorities. I believe it was the Governor who was CinC of these forces. They could be mobilized and moved to respond to emergencies that were not local in nature. The South regiment could be moved to assist the East regiment if needed, and so forth.

While refered to then as “militia”, they were by today’s standards citizen-soldiers. They were subordinate to the Governor who in turn drew his power from the Crown. Therefore, these regiments were, however indirectly, nationalized.

Today’s militia are not commanded by any national or state authority. They exist, as they ought to, in order to provide local defense at the lowest level of power (the people). This is the same force identified as the early “militia companies” mentioned above. The Mass. regiments were successful because of their centralized coomand, and because of this they grew, multiplied and were augmented in order to form the NG of today.

This is my understanding of the difference between the militia and National Guard. While both have been referred to as “militia” in their histories, they are distinct and different items because of their command and control structure, and to a lesser degree their equipment and training.”

Words have different meanings at different times. It’s easy to forget this when all you care about is disarming people. Another example is the forgotten concept of ordnance, and the fact that “arms” and “ordnance” are not the same thing.

Author ID: 9291 | 2/15/2007 11:26 AM CST | #81398


You know---I have always wondered why the left in this country is so bitterly anti-gun-ownership.  It was not always so---I used to have a copy of Johann Most’s Military Science for Revolutionaries (long lost; it was a tiny little book and I haven’t laid eyes on it in years) and Most, a real live bomb-dripping overthrow-the-capitalist-oppressors nineteenth-century anarchist radical, recommended that “working men” arm themselves...and train as militia units!  He said that the gun control efforts of that time (1880s-1890s) were a sneaky way for the capitalist oppressors to make sure that the working class could never, ever fight back. 

And my friend Leslie Fish the filksinger (Science fiction folksinger, for those not familiar with the genre) is a veteran of years with the IWW (the Wobblies; they’re real hardcore Left)---and is so pro-Second-Amendment and pro-private-ownership-of-guns that she makes most of the “pro-gun” righties I know look like Sarah Brady. 

So why is it an article of faith for most on the left side of the traditional spectrum that Guns Are Teh Evol?  Did this start with JFK’s assassination---Lee Harvey Oswald was out of reach, so they started lashing out at anything to try to get some payback for their murdered god-king?  (That hypothesis might also explain the incredibly convoluted conspiracy theories I’ve read about the assassination.  As if the shot was beyond the power of “one Marine, and his rifle!”

Author ID: 7388 | 2/15/2007 11:36 AM CST | #81400


I hate to bring this up but did anyone think to look at the website responsible for the article on eliminating the Second Amendment?  If that isn’t an Islamic advocacy group site I’ll eat my Mini 14!  Since when do we give these jerks the time of day?  They want to curtail my RIGHTS?  I want them out of MY COUNTRY!!!  Nuff said.

Author ID: 9234 | 2/15/2007 11:57 AM CST | #81402


gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhha

can’t do it.

mmmmmmmmmmmfffffffffffffffffflllllllllllll

Anybody know of an M1A available for FTF in the MidSouth?

Author ID: 7359 | 2/15/2007 12:00 PM CST | #81404


“He has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”

Author ID: 1448 | 2/15/2007 12:39 PM CST | #81405


Sons.
Of.
B@#$s;.

How’d I know this was going to happen.  And the recent events in Utah and Pennsylvania don’t help the situation.

Author ID: 9432 | 2/15/2007 12:47 PM CST | #81406


Sons.
Of.
B@#$s;.

How’d I know this was going to happen.  And the recent events in Utah and Pennsylvania don’t help the situation.

Author ID: 9432 | 2/15/2007 12:47 PM CST | #81407


1) Does anybody find any irony in this bills number?

2) Isn’t gun control Carolyn McCarthy’s raison d’etre?

3) Kim, I feel your pain (I don’t believe I said that!), as I too have just entered the ranks of the destitute. Won’t matter though, if I feel that this bill has a snowball’s chance, I will have another AK. If I need to eat that bad, I’ll just go shoot a head of lettuce.

Author ID: 6637 | 2/15/2007 02:29 PM CST | #81413


1) Does anybody find any irony in the number of this bill?

2) Isn’t gun control Carolyn McCarthy’s raison d’etre?

3) Kim, I feel your pain (I don’t believe I said that!), as I too have just entered the ranks of the destitute. Won’t matter though, if I feel that this bill has a snowball’s chance, I will have another AK. If I need to eat that bad, I’ll just go shoot a head of lettuce.

Author ID: 6637 | 2/15/2007 02:30 PM CST | #81414


I just emailed the following to the author of the commentary, Junaid.
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Junaid,

I ran across your article on the net, and would like to make some general comments regarding your erroneous conclusions. First, rights are not granted by the state to individuals that can be repealed willy-nilly whenever the state wants. This type of thinking is exactly why the 2nd Amendment was included in the BoR, and mimics the same sentiments of every dictator since time began. Self defense is inherent, and whether the transgressor is an individual OR the state grabbing more freedoms matters not. Secondly, the government has repeatedly ruled that it cannot defend every individual from every possible assault, nor should it be held accountable for not doing so. If the collective can�t perform this task for every individual, it is intuitively obvious that the responsibility for self defense rests on the shoulders of the individual(s). Third, disarming law-abiding citizens only makes them sheep for the slaughter. A terrorist by nature won�t obey any gun control law if his/her intent is to kill innocent people, which is also against the law and a much more serious violation. Last, if you truly believe that guns are inherently evil and outlawing guns will cure the evil of terrorism then I have some swampland in Florida to show you.

Rick Beckham

Author ID: 8653 | 2/15/2007 03:12 PM CST | #81417


It would be nice if, just for once, these gun grabbing wieners accepted that the 2A means what it says, and if they think the concept of an armed citizenry is obsolete, they can just try and get a constitutional amendment. The machinery is there, it’s been used in the past, so they can’t complain. Come on dickwads, don’t like the 2A, amend the Constitution or shut the f#ck up.

Author ID: 7913 | 2/15/2007 03:52 PM CST | #81420


By all means, its always a good idea to add to the collection and begin with those types/models that face the most threat of being restricted in the (one hopes not too) near future.  I’ve managed to secure my MIA, FN-FAL, AK, SKS, VZ52, Mini-14, Mini-30 and sorely desire a 50BMG of some sort but have not overlooked the venerable lever gun as a good defensive arm to posses in the mix.  Its pretty hard to bash/ban the “gun that won the west”, follow-up shot cycling is quick, reloading through the side gate can be done with the rifle in firing configuration and some of the current hot 45-70 loads from Buffalo Bore, Garrett, etc. can throw a big piece of lead at awesome velocities.

Good shootin’ to ya,
MuzzleBlast

Author ID: 9593 | 2/15/2007 05:06 PM CST | #81422


ditto AK time.

“Ditto?  You provincial putz!”

Yes, ditto.

Author ID: 9035 | 2/15/2007 07:54 PM CST | #81426


I stopped reading the ISPU article at the title:

In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must Be Repealed

When an author conflates a Constitutional Amendment with a “right” that can somehow be “repealed” no further reading is necessary.  Everyone should know instantly who and what this person is, and what he’s after.

Author ID: 161 | 2/15/2007 08:17 PM CST | #81428


Mm.

Guess I’ll pick up that PTR-91 sooner rather than later… ah, well, it’s not like I was planning on trying Vista until after SP1 shipped.

BTW, for the fans of the poodleshooter cartridge, here are two that Kim missed. Both use AR mags, are built by reputable companies, will scare the britches off the gun-grabbers, and are not “AR-15” rifles, so they may be gettable in locales suffering from an infestation of pussified types.

Sig 556

FN FS2000 (semiauto)

Author ID: 353 | 2/15/2007 09:08 PM CST | #81431


Couldn’t do that FN. Last time I saw something like that, Stiletto was shooting it.

Author ID: 6637 | 2/15/2007 09:15 PM CST | #81432


I have been wanting a super scary black rifle for a while now, but have been putting it off in deference to collecting WW2 small arms, mostly bolties.  The recent change in power has brought the idea back to the forefront, and I now see a SA SOCOM 16 in my not too distant future.

Author ID: 9262 | 2/15/2007 10:14 PM CST | #81435


Did anybody read the article to which Kim linked?  I�ve never heard of this organization (and I do a *lot* of think-tank reading) so I expolred further.

I could not help respinding to this guy:

Dear Mr. Afeef,

I have just finished reading your piece entitled In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must be Repealed. While I appreciate your concern regarding the likelihood of terrorists mounting suicide shooting rampages or sniper attacks, I find your solution, that of disarming the American Public, not only distressing for a constitutional point of view, but also at a total disconnect from the response that such attacks require for the would be victims. In short Sir, should a terrorist decide to try and shoot up the American Public than an armed public is what he must be up against. Your solution would guarantee a group of cowering and helpless targets, ripe for execution.

A recent event in Salt Lake City, Utah saw a lone gunman, possibly inspired by ideas of jihad, stopped at the beginning of his attack by a single man with a handgun. In this case the hero was an off duty police officer, but it could just have easily been any one of the non-public servants with whom I associate every day.

Further more, and most disturbing to me, is your inconsistency in describing American gun owners to your readers. Toward the beginning of your article, you say, �Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check.� Then toward the end you say, �More than 50 percent of the gun owners were college educated and earned more than $50,000 per year.�

As a long time member of the Gun Culture, I can tell you with certainty, that we consider the neo-nazi and white supremacist crowd among the most loathsome of creatures. Where I find fault is in your implication that the more educated and affluent gun owners don�t consider the power balance between the people and the government a major reason for owning firearms, especially of the military type. In short Sir, they/we do.

Mr. Afeef, I am sure that you are a skilled researcher who strives to better understand his areas of focus as a matter of personal professionalism. I therefore invite you to explore one of many websites which will hopefully broaden your views of the American Gun Culture. http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/

Sincerely,

Sgt Marshall Gobba USMC

Author ID: 7393 | 2/15/2007 11:26 PM CST | #81436


Sgt. G;

Who IS this guy you linked to? Day-um, he says it all, so much better than I do (and I like to think I’m articulate, when I stop and cool off before screaming at the top of my lungs) and he makes his point.
I thought for a minute I was reading Kim.
I didn’t find his name anywhere on the page, unless he’s Ken.

Jim

Author ID: 8889 | 2/16/2007 05:51 AM CST | #81442


His name is Kevin Baker. He is on Kim’s “Blogs I Read Every Day” list.

Author ID: 7393 | 2/16/2007 06:27 AM CST | #81443


His name is Kevin Baker. He is on Kim�s �Blogs I Read Every Day� list.

Well, the man is BRILLIANT.

Jim

Author ID: 8889 | 2/16/2007 07:18 AM CST | #81445


Guess I need to raid the textbook fund and go in search of an SKS or two.  Followed by Moberg 500.  Being a college student severely handicaps your ability to prepare for the real world… No money for guns/ammo, no time for shooting, and anger inducing libtards surrounding you every day. 

I wonder if they still sell SKS’s in CA? 

I wrote Mr. Afeef an email challenging his position, as I saw a couple other of Kim’s Readers have.  I suppose it will all fall on blind eyes though.

Author ID: 8087 | 2/16/2007 08:48 AM CST | #81448


Well, thank you, SGT G, and you too, Jim.  I’m honored.

Author ID: 9327 | 2/16/2007 09:40 PM CST | #81543


Yep, smallestminority is bookmarked on my ‘puter.

Author ID: 6430 | 2/16/2007 10:41 PM CST | #81551


Personal fire arms are the last defense against criminals AND terrorists here in the US.  No way we are giving up our right to have them and protect ourselves. 

Personally I’ve always wanted an Uzi.  Santa are you listening???

Author ID: 8252 | 2/17/2007 08:01 AM CST | #81576