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Park Service Follies

Kim du Toit
May 26, 2006
1:49 PM CDT

I know that the Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) is not a government body in much favor with most, but even they must take a back seat to the Park Rangers (NPS) at the Rocky Mountain National Forest (sent by Reader VB):

An estimated 2,200 to 3,000 elk live in the park, overgrazing vegetation that is also important to other wildlife including songbirds, beavers and butterflies, biologists say. Elk numbers have escalated because the animals have few predators and no hunting is allowed in the park. The park’s goal is a herd of 1,200 to 1,700 elk.

Sounds simple to me. You have 1,500 elk too many. Set up an online auction (with Congressional approval) for about 500 special elk tags per year over the next three years, proceeds to the Parks Dept.

My guess is that this would generate a total of about $1.5 million from the bidding.

Close the park for two weeks each year for three years, specially for this event, and allocate each tag a specific block to hunt. The RMNP has about 160,000 “huntable” acres (the remaining 100,000 are steep mountain slopes), so this would result in about 300 acres per hunter. That’s plenty enough so they don’t start shooting at each other.

End of three years: elk population is back to the desired level.

Of course, that’s not what the Park Smokeys are going to do. Instead:

A 20-year plan to thin the burgeoning elk herd in Rocky Mountain National Park could cost $18 million to kill some animals and disperse others, park officials said.
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Park officials outlined the proposed program and its estimated costs during a public meeting Monday. The park’s favored plan would involve killing up to 700 elk annually for four years. After that, an additional 25 to 150 elk would be culled annually for 16 years.

The costs would come from hiring extra staff or a contractor to shoot elk, building fences to protect vegetation, transporting carcasses, testing them for disease and processing the meat.

“Doing something like this is not going to be cheap, for sure,” said park Superintendent Vaughn Baker. “But we’re talking 20 years.”

The park’s preferred plan calls for killing elk at night with silencer-equipped guns in part to minimize disturbances to park visitors.

So instead of earning a couple million, they’re going to spend $18 million. And why?

Park officials said they recognize that some people are upset by the prospect of killing elk in the park. While most recognize that something needs to be done to manage the population, there are contentious disagreements over the best method, said park biologist Therese Johnson.

Of course, as the article notes elsewhere, all you need to do is introduce a couple dozen wolves into the RMNP and let Nature take its course—but then, at the end of about five years, you’d have to start killing the wolves because their increased population would result in an elk shortage. And all the farmers in the area would be pissed because wolves wouldn’t confine themselves to elk when there are tasty cattle and sheep to be had as well, outside the RMNP.

The reason I categorized this as a “Red State/Blue State” post is that my solution is a Red State one, whereas the NPS plan is a Blue State one.

You know, it’s not often that I state on these pages that the South Africans are better than the Americans, but when it comes to game management, my former homeland has it nailed. They have to, because the biggest problem is elephant, which are hugely destructive beasts in terms of the habitat. Here’s how they handle it.

Once a year, the South African Park Service (SAPS) designates which elephant herds are to be culled. Then the Park Rangers mount a combined ground/air offensive, and wipe out entire elephant families: bulls, cows and calves, the whole lot. The meat is processed and sold on the open market (elephant jerky is a staple of many a South African). There’s none of this Blue State bullsh*t about silencers and contractors—the SAPS goes in themselves and gets the job done in about five brutal days. (It’s no picnic, by the way: park rangers are animal lovers and they hate the job. At the end of the cull, they all generally drink themselves into a stupor to try to dull the memory.)

But the result is that South African game parks are the envy of the rest of Africa in terms of their habitat and game diversity.

Now, elk aren’t anywhere as destructive as elephant, of course. But as their numbers burgeon because of lack of predation, they become inimical to the rest of the park and its animals.

This strikes me as a fine opportunity to let the market take care of the problem, rather than spending millions to fix it over a long period. (And you just know that the $18 million is not going to end up being $18 million, but $40 million, because no one in government knows how to budget properly.)

That’s not going to happen, of course. Instead, the NPS is going to blunder around, trying not to offend Park guests, PETA and the other eco-loonies, and the net result is that after spending a ton of money, the job will only be half-done—and they’ll have to do it again.

Oh, and something just occurred to me: in the absense of wolves, what’s going to grow is the cougar population, which means added danger to Park visitors.

Gah. What a total cock-up.




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  1. Grand Teton and Yellowstone NPs have a decent system (as it was explained to me).
    There the elk herds only transit the parks and there’s an anual hunt just outside park boundaries in the surrounding national forest for a set number of animals per annum.

    Park happy for a reduced herd, locals happy with Elk steak and increased income, hunters happy with some antlers to put up on the wall.

    jwenting | 5/26/2006 02:19 PM CDT | #63905
  2. Kim, perhaps we should incorporate and bid on becoming “Outside Contractors” and then subcontract by running a lottery for permits to hunt.

    With a percentage of the profits used as a bribe donation, how could they refuse.

    Sounds win-win to me.

    Rich | 5/26/2006 02:49 PM CDT | #63908
  3. Pissing away 18 million dollars over 20 years makes complete sense to government officials...it ain’t their money! And you are absolutely correct, it will cost closer to 40 million when it’s all said and done. The government almost never comes up with accurate budget numbers because (here again), it ain’t their money! And why go to the trouble to use a plan like you laid out to deal with the problem in 3 years instead of 20 and MAKE money in the process? BECAUSE IT AIN’T THEIR MONEY! Beraucrats don’t think the way normal people do. Clear thinking and common sense are deal killers in the application process. Besides, evil hunters should not be allowed to ply their trade on national park land...who do they think they are anyway...taxpayers!?!

    The Quiet Man | 5/26/2006 02:53 PM CDT | #63909
  4. The only problem with Kim’s plan is that he seems to think that these tags would only go for $1,000 each.  Look at the lotttery system in the states that have it and what guided huntss cost.  If auctioned they would go for $2,000+. 

    I really don’t understand this, they have two options on of them involves people paying them $1,000 each X ~700 permits (100% hunter success won’t happen and elk breed) X 3+ years (after the intitial hunt they remainder continue to breed), or pay someone to do it. 

    I like Rich’s plan better.  Sound like a good way to make some money and get some good eats.  I’m game for it.

    merll2005 | 5/26/2006 03:11 PM CDT | #63912
  5. I was having a conversation with someone a few nights ago about the school budget.

    I related my experiences growing up, where the town charter specified that EACH LINE ITEM ON THE BUDGET was subject to a popular vote. (Hint: THAT is how you prevent this stupidity!)

    This person’s reflexive action was, “my god! people won’t know how to vote! You’ll lose art classes to fund the football team!”

    My response was that everyone had kids who benefited from art classes, and there were maybe 30 kids who would go out for football, and so that vote wasn’t likely to prevail.

    I clinched agreement when I pointed out to him that “people are really, really smart when it’s their own money. Those same people suddenly become completely stupid, drooling idiots when it’s someone else’s”

    He saw the truth of this.

    geekWithA.45 | 5/26/2006 03:25 PM CDT | #63915
  6. Here in Arizona, the Hualapai/Supai/Havasupai Reservation is considered by some to be the best elk hunting country in the nation.  They auction their elk tags for up to 30,000 each.  When I was up there three weeks ago we saw eight elk grazing along the roadsides, gotta love full moons for watching the wildlife. 

    Rather than doing this over 3 years, implement it over the same 20 year period.  Auction off 200 tags per year to start with, adjust the number over time depending on the success rate of the hunters.  I don’t know about anyone else, but I doubt 100% usage of the auctioned tags.  200 tags, let’s assume 10k each as a bottom end estimate, that’s two million for a program that’ll probably cost about 100 thousand to administer. 

    Unfortunately, it’s too good an idea as it makes too much sense.

    deadcenter | 5/26/2006 03:48 PM CDT | #63916
  7. The first weekend in Colorado this very lovely young lady took me up to RMNP. I knew the law but it still struck me as almost surreal. When you park in a designated parking area you’ll see a bulletin board with rules, regs & general info. I took a few minutes to look at it. In big letters it warned of bear, mountaib lion, snakes & coyotes. In bigger letters it said “no weapons allowed”.

    From my understanding it would take a small tweaking of the regs (i.e. presidential, not congressional action) to correct this oversight on food chain placement. I won’t hold my breath.

    The mountain lion population is already booming in Boulder county. Numerous sightings over the past few months & a little boy was mauled a few weeks back. Since they’re fairly seclusive creatures I take the increased sightings to mean their population is growing.

    Hunting in RMNP won’t happen. First of all it’d mean guns in the park. You’d have to get Bush to do something actually pro-gun for that to happen. Plus the .gov employees hate the idea of regular non-.gov folks doing their jobs or anything to assist their jobs. professionals only please.

    Besides, from a lot of work by Michael Bane it seems that the .gov in this area is trying to end most shooting on public land. with a seeming anti-gun agenda in the forest service where it is legal to carry & shoot (subject to certain conditions like x yards away from the road, etc...) I can’t imagine the park rangers are instutionally pro-gun or gun owner.

    So hunting by us peasants won’t happen despite its viability.

    besides, Colorado has one of the most “interesting” hunting license systms of any state I’ve ever looked into. For a draw tag you have to know by April which hunting unit (usually a portion of a county) you’re going to hunt in over the 5 day “season” you select in the fall.  Add to that the increased hunting fees (brought to you not only by the dems in the colorado legislature but by several “hunting” orgs) & it’s not hard to imagine that Colorado would screw up hunting in RMNP to the point where it’d be a less than optimum system to achieve the desired ends.

    One last antecdote: The first year I was here I recall reading an ad about folks who moved into Boulder suburbs to be closer with nature. typical tree-hugging granola like motives & all. Well one lady was so shocked that she called the sheriff becaue she found her 10 year old son on the back porch watching a mountain lion take down a deer. The sheriff told her he couldn’t do anything about it as mountain lions weren’t arrestable for hunting sans license. The lady still didn’t get it - that nature wasn’t as cuddly as she’d seen via Disney flicks. The area is filled with those types & I can see a big protest being made over any effort, government or private, to kill Bambi’s cousin.

    Publicola | 5/26/2006 04:00 PM CDT | #63918
  8. Hey, its govt. we’re talking here. Why make money when you can spend lots more and be politically correct to boot? Publicola is right. I am a CO. resident too, and I can tell you that Boulder has about the same grip on reality as D.C.

    hardrain | 5/26/2006 05:15 PM CDT | #63922
  9. The biggest problem is probably the proximity of RMNP to Boulder and Denver.  You notice that Yellowstone and Grand Tetons - both in Wyoming - don’t have the same problem because Wyoming is a state where hunting is so common it’s almost mandatory. 

    Elk are so common in Estes Park, at RMNP’s eastern entrance, that they’re something of a traffic hazard. 

    However, as I understand it, there are still parts of Colorado away from the front range that sell over-the-counter elk tags, i.e. no draw neccessary.

    Staff Martin | 5/26/2006 05:31 PM CDT | #63927
  10. I believe the Air Force Academy, north of Colorado Springs, has periodically had hunts to thin herds. 

    When I first came to Colorado 30 years ago, the Academy was out in the sticks.  It’s since been nearly surrounded by development.

    Darrell | 5/26/2006 06:26 PM CDT | #63930
  11. While your proposal makes lots of sense, it’ll never happen because a small minority of people is fanatically anti-hunting, and they’ve long since been ceded the moral high ground by the majority of sheeple.

    Technomad | 5/26/2006 06:41 PM CDT | #63931
  12. That was another time in SA.

    Check this

    http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID22/73.html

    They are now delaying the cull to wait for consensus

    KeesKennis | 5/26/2006 08:18 PM CDT | #63934
  13. Wow, I must live in a really backwards place. to hunt Land Between the Lakes, requires a $20.00 LBL permit ($25.00 if you also want to camp in the park) for their open hunts and if you want to get into a quota hunt, there is an application for the lottery and an additional $5.00 fee.
    http://www.lbl.org/Hunting.html

    Few schedule, scroll down.

    Hellbilly | 5/26/2006 09:15 PM CDT | #63937
  14. Back when the U.S. had an observed Constitution, the very idea of a “National Park” would have been recognized as the fascist obscenity that it is. But the “National Greatness” Republicans, Lincoln’s pals, got in and did a number on property rights, free banking, and instituted white slavery while they were at it. The cross between subsidy for those who want to use land without having to own and pay for and maintain it, and Romantic BS about “Nature,” is why it’s continued to exist for more than a century.

    The proper thing to do is sell off all federally owned lands not used for the armed forces, make them rent buildings only in cities, and make them a very much smaller presence there, and let the private owners decide what to do with their animals and lands. That is what America was supposed to be.

    TraitorHater | 5/26/2006 09:43 PM CDT | #63939
  15. Hellbilly,

    You linked to a National Recreation Area.  Rocky Mountain National Park is, as the name says a national park.  You can’t hunt or even possess a firearm in any national park, concealed or not, CCW or not.

    merll2005 | 5/26/2006 09:43 PM CDT | #63940
  16. Had a similar problem here in VA last year.  Too many deer, so local Govt. paid a fortune for “Exterminators”.  Could have made a mint issuing extra tags.

    Back in Ireland, they don’t have tags.  Deer are considered to be vermin.

    Dub_James | 5/26/2006 10:49 PM CDT | #63944
  17. Actually, strictly speaking they are a “protected” species, which means you need a license to hunt them.

    No restriction on numbers though.  “Protected” my arse.  Oh, and the license is free.

    Dub_James | 5/26/2006 10:52 PM CDT | #63945
  18. Well duh, you’re right. Sorry.  Clicking on smileys still brings up the Frontpage, BTW.

    Hellbilly | 5/26/2006 10:54 PM CDT | #63946
  19. Wait a minute, Kim’s post is about a National forest. Hell, Daniel Boone NF has 4 shooting ranges (one of which is free), plus hunting.
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/boone/recreation/shooting.shtml

    http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/boone/recreation/hunting.shtml

    Hellbilly | 5/26/2006 11:05 PM CDT | #63947
  20. I’m sure he means Rocky Mountain National Park.

    Darrell | 5/26/2006 11:13 PM CDT | #63948
  21. He refered to is as a national forest for the link but as a park elsewhere.

    merll2005 | 5/26/2006 11:17 PM CDT | #63949
  22. How about releasing spayed wolves instead? 

    This wolf pack may be a problem after the elk population is trimmed, but we avoid the baby wolf problem entirely.

    Dark Wing Duck | 5/27/2006 02:05 AM CDT | #63952
  23. Indiana has implemented a system of culling herds by allowing hunting in public parks on specific days of the year. Because Indiana DNR has the lowest budget in the WORLD, protecting the lands from overgrazing by allowing hunting is a logical, easy solution. Doesnt’ cost indiana residents a dime, either. And deer taken thusly are in addition to your regular tags. Amazing that we border Illinois, isn’t it? almost like a different country.

    og | 5/27/2006 06:48 AM CDT | #63954
  24. The problem as I see it is that these large creatures in the RMNP that look like elk are just great big squirrels just like you have in your yard in any city.  I was in Estes Park two weeks ago and got to watch the clean up on the highway of an upside down SUV that had a run in with an elk.  These critters are all over the town grazing in yards and vacant lots and walking around in the streets and they appear to be totally unafraid of people.

    I do not know about herds further up in the park but elk and sheep that I have observed close to the roads are so acclimated to humans that they graze unperturbed as people stop their cars and actually walk fairly close up to them.  (Not ever a wise thing to do.) Since these animals are not exactly wild game I think the South Africa method makes more sense although it would seem rather drastic to the bunny huggers.

    Maybe after a few years of thinning the herd the animals will develop un-squirrel like behaviors and some sort of fair chase hunt could be conducted but at this time I am afraid that an elk hunt would be as challenging as shooting cows in a pasture.

    OldTexan | 5/27/2006 01:04 PM CDT | #63967
  25. “This person’s reflexive action was, “my god! people won’t know how to vote! You’ll lose art classes to fund the football team!””

    Geek, obviously you’ve never lived in Alabama. That is EXACTLY the historical record for how it works. Want a school tax increase? Publish a list of proposed cuts that STARTS with the football team.

    Grrrrr....

    SDN | 5/27/2006 01:21 PM CDT | #63968
  26. Just another example of how the government scews things up the more they get involved with a project.

    308Mike | 5/27/2006 06:19 PM CDT | #63974
  27. The “no hunting/no guns” policy in the National Parks is an unfortunate holdover from the early days of the Park Service.  Game populations had been devastated by overhunting combined with rapid development in the 1800s.  The parks, as protected areas, made some sense at the time, unlike some other early policies such as the Bear Feeding Shows in Yellowstone.  Unfortunately, a rational policy, such as Kim suggests would face huge political opposition in todays world.

    fast richard | 5/28/2006 07:52 AM CDT | #63981
  28. Kim,

    Sorry, but I don’t see how South Africa is any less PC than the RMNP.  In Botswana, popping a bull elephant start at about $40,000 and goes up (depending on tusks).  Having paid government employees slaughter whole herds of elephant isn’t much different than hiring special “outside contractors” to cull elk herds.  There are plenty of people who would be willing to PAY to pop a few elephant—why does the SA government have to pay overtime to their “animal loving rangers” so they can drink themselves into a stupor later?  Isn’t it better to have a few hunters PAY $20,000 for the privaledge of popping some of those elephant?

    Sounds like the SA government is just as stupid as ours.

    D5CAV | 5/29/2006 05:32 PM CDT | #64015

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